Has anyone else here noticed people of their own generation sorta losing contact with reality over time? Like we all know boomers are delusional, but if you look closely it's like millennials and zoomers are slowly getting delusional too. Like 4chan is a bunch of millennials mentally stuck in 2014 who still think wokeness is the big problem and still think speedrun marathons are cool. I looked through their archives hoping to find inspiration for a video game UI, and all the stuff they posted was just uninteresting and old. Which is weird because 10 years ago they had a decent understanding of what was cool. Kanye said he works with young people because people his age have no new ideas, and I kinda think he's right. Like I'm late 20's and it feels awkward because the interesting stuff now is being made by 18-25 year olds, but if I admit this then everyone's like "You're just desperate to stay young and cool!" It's like nah, music evolves, they're doing new things. Does anyone else feel this?
This is one of the eternal truths of human culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_principle
I am one of the millennials who thinks wokeness is a problem and will not let go of a pre-2014 worldview with regards to identity politics. It's not *the* big problem. It's just one, but also one part of a loss of contact with reality, rooted in dumb (social construction) ontology and (standpoint) epistemology.
Hard to give the rest of your comment a response because it's quite empty of content. What are you saying besides generalizing that newer stuff comes from newer people? What makes new good? How is new equated with "contact with reality"? Is the entire basis of what you're talking about 4chan archives and the topic of video games? If so, consider that none of that shit matters and you're irredeemably lost.
Hard to give the rest of your comment a response because it's quite empty of content. What are you saying besides generalizing that newer stuff comes from newer people? What makes new good? How is new equated with "contact with reality"? Is the entire basis of what you're talking about 4chan archives and the topic of video games? If so, consider that none of that shit matters and you're irredeemably lost.
>>7023
Reminds me of a part in I think Arthur Koestler's Sleepwalkers where he talks about famous scientists holding specific beliefs that would become extremely quaint in their lifetimes, and never conceding even if later generations found it silly. Like Tesla calling Einstein's relativity stupid.
>>7024
I'm not surprised that your disagreement is hostile, because from experience it seems the kind of person who's likely to stick to older views is the kind who's more self-assured in general and more quick to judge.
But personally, yeah, I'm not "anti-woke" because I don't side with my nation or race. Overall I believe in the aristocratic world view, that a tiny portion of the population is just sort of categorically better than the hoi polloi and deserves the right to rule over them. I think if you really are emotionally attached to whiteness and anti-wokeness and whatever, you have no eye for history because those concepts mean absolutely nothing outside of our current era.
Reminds me of a part in I think Arthur Koestler's Sleepwalkers where he talks about famous scientists holding specific beliefs that would become extremely quaint in their lifetimes, and never conceding even if later generations found it silly. Like Tesla calling Einstein's relativity stupid.
>>7024
I'm not surprised that your disagreement is hostile, because from experience it seems the kind of person who's likely to stick to older views is the kind who's more self-assured in general and more quick to judge.
But personally, yeah, I'm not "anti-woke" because I don't side with my nation or race. Overall I believe in the aristocratic world view, that a tiny portion of the population is just sort of categorically better than the hoi polloi and deserves the right to rule over them. I think if you really are emotionally attached to whiteness and anti-wokeness and whatever, you have no eye for history because those concepts mean absolutely nothing outside of our current era.
No.7030
Anonymous
2025-08-12 20:28:32
>>7026
>But personally, yeah, I'm not "anti-woke" because I don't side with my nation or race.
If I were to use the word "anti-woke" I would mean it largely in the sense of cosmopolitan colorblindness like that and not Republican hostility. In that context, your statement is contradictory. If it helps you understand, it's more like "a-woke" in the sense that an atheist is not someone outright hostile to religion (antitheist) and the word atheist just kind of gets painted that way by people lazily generalizing the picture of a neckbeard onto the word.
>Overall I believe in the aristocratic world view
What relevance does this have to literally anything that was written before it? Are you high?
>But personally, yeah, I'm not "anti-woke" because I don't side with my nation or race.
If I were to use the word "anti-woke" I would mean it largely in the sense of cosmopolitan colorblindness like that and not Republican hostility. In that context, your statement is contradictory. If it helps you understand, it's more like "a-woke" in the sense that an atheist is not someone outright hostile to religion (antitheist) and the word atheist just kind of gets painted that way by people lazily generalizing the picture of a neckbeard onto the word.
>Overall I believe in the aristocratic world view
What relevance does this have to literally anything that was written before it? Are you high?
The effect is less pronounced elsewhere, but in the US you will regularly encounter millennials who wear clothes and other adornments with literal children's characters on it. I do not want to see a balding mid-30s man wearing a Digimon shirt. In that sense, I agree with you OP. However I don't know where your praise for zoomers' creativity comes from - they are incapable of creating anything new and everything that comes from them is a step down even from millennial culture. Every zoomer product makes me despair for the future of art. So shitty it might as well be AI. Nothing is "new" as you describe, it's very pointedly recycled and recombobulated from a mishmash of previous eras' achievements. Would love to hear what young people art is so fascinating and inspiring to OP lol
No.7039
Anonymous
2025-08-13 04:31:06
>>7026
You were posed a few interesting questions regarding your original point and chose instead to talk about wokeness? Who are you to criticize the rest of your generation for lack of fresh ideas when you can't elaborate on one before returning to a topic that's been discussed to death for over a decade now?
You seem to connect being delusional with not having or conforming to new ideas and don't do much to justify the association. Do you deny that older ideas have the potential to be more in tune with reality than newer ones?
>It's like nah, music evolves, they're doing new things.
>I think if you really are emotionally attached to whiteness and anti-wokeness and whatever, you have no eye for history because those concepts mean absolutely nothing outside of our current era.
So which is it? Are new ideas good because they're an 'evolution', or are they bad because they 'mean absolutely nothing outside of our current era'? I know I'm nitpicking a bit here, but it seems strange to bemoan a lack of novelty in one post and criticize something for being too novel in another.
You were posed a few interesting questions regarding your original point and chose instead to talk about wokeness? Who are you to criticize the rest of your generation for lack of fresh ideas when you can't elaborate on one before returning to a topic that's been discussed to death for over a decade now?
You seem to connect being delusional with not having or conforming to new ideas and don't do much to justify the association. Do you deny that older ideas have the potential to be more in tune with reality than newer ones?
>It's like nah, music evolves, they're doing new things.
>I think if you really are emotionally attached to whiteness and anti-wokeness and whatever, you have no eye for history because those concepts mean absolutely nothing outside of our current era.
So which is it? Are new ideas good because they're an 'evolution', or are they bad because they 'mean absolutely nothing outside of our current era'? I know I'm nitpicking a bit here, but it seems strange to bemoan a lack of novelty in one post and criticize something for being too novel in another.
No.7051
Anonymous
2025-08-13 10:30:33
>>7022 (OP)
Small detail of your post but this insistence that "woke is over" or whatever is a strange rhetorical tentpole. There has been a slight retreat since 2021, but it's still uniformly as pervasive and materially relevant as it has been since, what, 2013? Race-based admissions and hiring still pervasive, critical-theoretical explanations for intergroup disparities still treated as base-truth, large segments of policy debate can't be spoken aloud without putting your career at stake, etc.
"4chan millennials", for the most part, have been lying about every belief they hold to everyone they know in the real world for over a decade. The vulgar public racism and antisemitism of working-class instagram car people hurts more than it helps. If you exist in polite society, you will have to keep lying for another decade if not more. Even "dirtbag leftists", if there are any left, have to hold their tongue in public, lest you get accused of Having a Normal One by your DSA peers who have abandoned single payer healthcare to agitate for open borders and subsidized gender affirming care
Small detail of your post but this insistence that "woke is over" or whatever is a strange rhetorical tentpole. There has been a slight retreat since 2021, but it's still uniformly as pervasive and materially relevant as it has been since, what, 2013? Race-based admissions and hiring still pervasive, critical-theoretical explanations for intergroup disparities still treated as base-truth, large segments of policy debate can't be spoken aloud without putting your career at stake, etc.
"4chan millennials", for the most part, have been lying about every belief they hold to everyone they know in the real world for over a decade. The vulgar public racism and antisemitism of working-class instagram car people hurts more than it helps. If you exist in polite society, you will have to keep lying for another decade if not more. Even "dirtbag leftists", if there are any left, have to hold their tongue in public, lest you get accused of Having a Normal One by your DSA peers who have abandoned single payer healthcare to agitate for open borders and subsidized gender affirming care
Pretty sure I'm zoning out these days. Wish it was in a cool, mystic way, but I think it's just in a catatonic, bored way. The American populace has become stoned. In the motions, unquestioningly. I think the blatant nostalgia cycle which has taken over mass media is an obvious manifestation of this. No value is given to originality... I'm not sure if anyone is capable of it now. If you interact with kids, they're also unoriginal. But they strike me as unoriginal, not in the eternal return kind of way, but as if they simply are reusing what's already been done because they cannot escape from it.
>>7033
>Would love to hear what young people art is so fascinating and inspiring to OP lol
Do you know R. Crumb?
There's a slice in the documentary about him, Crumb (1994), where he just shows off his extensive record collection and his obsession with 1930s blues. Crumb was a post-war child who grew up in the 50s, and went over to the black side of town regularly to get blues and jazz records. By the 1990's, this music was 60 years out of date, yet he continued listening to these records and collecting them. Now, bear in mind that Crumb was a member of the Flower Power generation who lived on Haight-Ashbury in '67, and he's still alive now. He witnessed the entire lifespan of modern pop music, from the 50's monoculture to 60's counterculture, to arena rock, the 80's subculture explosion, etc. and he's still dressing like a guy from the 1930's.
At what point can we admit to ourselves there's a pattern here? My own favorite music came out in the 80's and 90's before I was born, and as I get older this doesn't seem to change. When I discovered 80's dream pop, shoegaze, 90's slowcore, post-rock etc. that was it, nothing has affected me as deeply since (with a small number of exceptions). I feel it's a fact that how the brain develops from birth to age 16 determines these things.
These are only two anecdotes, but maybe you'll get what I mean.
>Would love to hear what young people art is so fascinating and inspiring to OP lol
Do you know R. Crumb?
There's a slice in the documentary about him, Crumb (1994), where he just shows off his extensive record collection and his obsession with 1930s blues. Crumb was a post-war child who grew up in the 50s, and went over to the black side of town regularly to get blues and jazz records. By the 1990's, this music was 60 years out of date, yet he continued listening to these records and collecting them. Now, bear in mind that Crumb was a member of the Flower Power generation who lived on Haight-Ashbury in '67, and he's still alive now. He witnessed the entire lifespan of modern pop music, from the 50's monoculture to 60's counterculture, to arena rock, the 80's subculture explosion, etc. and he's still dressing like a guy from the 1930's.
At what point can we admit to ourselves there's a pattern here? My own favorite music came out in the 80's and 90's before I was born, and as I get older this doesn't seem to change. When I discovered 80's dream pop, shoegaze, 90's slowcore, post-rock etc. that was it, nothing has affected me as deeply since (with a small number of exceptions). I feel it's a fact that how the brain develops from birth to age 16 determines these things.
These are only two anecdotes, but maybe you'll get what I mean.
No.7086
Anonymous
2025-08-13 16:21:58
>At what point can we admit to ourselves there's a pattern here?
Not at the point of only two anecdotes.
Not at the point of only two anecdotes.
I think it is a truth universally acknowledged that very few people are capable of continuing to appreciate and emotionally connect with new music into their middle age. Most of my favourite music I discovered when I was 17-21 and I think that's normal.
>>7087
...Which means our preference for certain music isn't a hill to die on, but rather something to accept as being conditioned by brain development, and therefore subjective in a big way. I brought up scientists because they go through the same thing. Kuhn's theory of scientific paradigms states that individual scientists rarely give up their own paradigms, and it's actually through successive, broader, invisible changes of the paradigm across younger generations of scientists that science goes on to change its general approach over time.
In other words, I find it funny how everyone believes that if they lived in the 1700's, they'd just go through their lives naturally embracing new scientific theories, new political theories, and new music until they arrived at the current era, roughly 20 years before or after their birth, where all the scientific theories are correct, all the political theories have been perfected, and music peaked. It all seems so ridiculous to imagine you'd be that person, when you are so profoundly reluctant to embrace the most minor change happening in front of you, and so accepting this change becomes the task of the next generation.
...Which means our preference for certain music isn't a hill to die on, but rather something to accept as being conditioned by brain development, and therefore subjective in a big way. I brought up scientists because they go through the same thing. Kuhn's theory of scientific paradigms states that individual scientists rarely give up their own paradigms, and it's actually through successive, broader, invisible changes of the paradigm across younger generations of scientists that science goes on to change its general approach over time.
In other words, I find it funny how everyone believes that if they lived in the 1700's, they'd just go through their lives naturally embracing new scientific theories, new political theories, and new music until they arrived at the current era, roughly 20 years before or after their birth, where all the scientific theories are correct, all the political theories have been perfected, and music peaked. It all seems so ridiculous to imagine you'd be that person, when you are so profoundly reluctant to embrace the most minor change happening in front of you, and so accepting this change becomes the task of the next generation.
>>7088
I agree with you generally but some of us genuinely are better at it than others. There are a lot more people online these days and I've been increasingly disappointed in their ability to reason. Once upon a time you would have something like a "skeptic" community but there was a pretty hard schism in that a decade ago and in my view the people with less sense retained control of the names, organizations, websites, accounts, etc and the reasonable ones were scattered to the wind. Scientific theories are always being refined, that's their whole shtick. And it's not that political theories have been perfected, but rather that the ones in vogue are just plainly dumber than ones in recent memory. Backslides to a local minimum can happen without it implying a global maximum was reached.
I agree with you generally but some of us genuinely are better at it than others. There are a lot more people online these days and I've been increasingly disappointed in their ability to reason. Once upon a time you would have something like a "skeptic" community but there was a pretty hard schism in that a decade ago and in my view the people with less sense retained control of the names, organizations, websites, accounts, etc and the reasonable ones were scattered to the wind. Scientific theories are always being refined, that's their whole shtick. And it's not that political theories have been perfected, but rather that the ones in vogue are just plainly dumber than ones in recent memory. Backslides to a local minimum can happen without it implying a global maximum was reached.
>>7090
I don't disagree. But in this thought experiment, where we take a person in the year 1700 and let them live to 2025, then regardless of that person's individual character or moral character or their intelligence/diligence/whathaveyou, they just won't resemble a person from 2025 at a fundamental level and we're not sure why. If you tell me with a straight face that everything peaked so closely to your birth, I'll think you're naive. It is many times more sensible to assume that if R. Crumb is still hording old blues records in the 90's (and today), there's something he can hear in those records that you and I cannot. If the Greek marble statues still resonate so powerfully with people, then we should take this less as assurance that good culture is timeless and more that Greek ingenuity was so immense that their art broke the rule, and captured the hearts of successive generations for centuries, who look back on their own past with apathy.
When I was a kid, I read Dickens novels. It was very immersive, like my head was a radio tuning into the 19th century, but the curious thing is that due to how people in the 19th century interpreted their lives in a different way from us, so too did the feelings they had about things diverge from us. You can call this bullshit or an unsubstantiated claim, and I can't stop you because this is only an anecdote, and a niche one at that. If I learn something intuitively, I can rationally justify it afterwards but it's still based on intuition. If you've never had an intuition like that, you might reject it outright. Nonetheless, that's what I believe: People from earlier generations truly do have minds that aren't quite the same as ours, they don't function like ours, they process information in different ways and feel different things. And this process is irrational.
I don't disagree. But in this thought experiment, where we take a person in the year 1700 and let them live to 2025, then regardless of that person's individual character or moral character or their intelligence/diligence/whathaveyou, they just won't resemble a person from 2025 at a fundamental level and we're not sure why. If you tell me with a straight face that everything peaked so closely to your birth, I'll think you're naive. It is many times more sensible to assume that if R. Crumb is still hording old blues records in the 90's (and today), there's something he can hear in those records that you and I cannot. If the Greek marble statues still resonate so powerfully with people, then we should take this less as assurance that good culture is timeless and more that Greek ingenuity was so immense that their art broke the rule, and captured the hearts of successive generations for centuries, who look back on their own past with apathy.
When I was a kid, I read Dickens novels. It was very immersive, like my head was a radio tuning into the 19th century, but the curious thing is that due to how people in the 19th century interpreted their lives in a different way from us, so too did the feelings they had about things diverge from us. You can call this bullshit or an unsubstantiated claim, and I can't stop you because this is only an anecdote, and a niche one at that. If I learn something intuitively, I can rationally justify it afterwards but it's still based on intuition. If you've never had an intuition like that, you might reject it outright. Nonetheless, that's what I believe: People from earlier generations truly do have minds that aren't quite the same as ours, they don't function like ours, they process information in different ways and feel different things. And this process is irrational.
>>7022 (OP)
>wokenes is over bro! Trump killed it fr fr
Holy fucking zoomcattle, lurk 10 years more before posting and remember we live on the age where nothing happens... Until it does
>wokenes is over bro! Trump killed it fr fr
Holy fucking zoomcattle, lurk 10 years more before posting and remember we live on the age where nothing happens... Until it does
No.7100
Anonymous
2025-08-14 15:29:21
>>7067
I was actually lifting when I wrote that
I was actually lifting when I wrote that
>>7091
I don't know what those two examples have to do with me. I also despise Crumb so you've lost me on that front too.
I don't know what those two examples have to do with me. I also despise Crumb so you've lost me on that front too.
No.7105
Anonymous
2025-08-15 09:21:58
>>7104
>le
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>>7102
>>7103
>I also despise Crumb so you've lost me on that front too.
I brought up R. Crumb specifically because he was born right at the cusp of modern pop culture, so that his obsession with 1930's and 40's music is all the stranger. In our modern cultural framework, it does not make sense because the 1950's are essentially the dawn of music, but music "really got good" with The Beatles and Woodstock and so on. I'm saying that for an artistically keyed-in person like Crumb to get a front-row seat to all this and just not care defies our expectations, it shouldn't happen, but it makes perfect sense from another angle which I'm trying to explain here.
This pattern has repeated over and over where artistically-inclined people look back to the pop culture from around their birth, and get attached to it for life (It's happening to Y2K culture right now). This is the reason for the common observation that pop culture moves in cycles of roughly 20 years (look at pinkpantheress sampling old 00's ringtones for the most obvious ever example). Most of the artsy 90's rock bands for instance were inspired deeply by AC/DC and Neil Young, whose creative peaks occurred when that 90's generation was in diapers. Normal people idealize their youth, whereas artists idealize things they never got to experience (which can include foreign cultures too). Just as there are entire generations who had 50's nostalgia (leading to things like the musical Grease), there were older European generations who had successive waves of orientalism (Chinoiserie, Turquerie, Japonisme).
The point I'm trying to get across (at least for music) is that there are no universal standards here. If you teleported a person born 200 years ago to now and showed them all our modern culture, he's not going to find that any of our music is the best he's ever heard (or even close) because the standards etched into his brain for music are radically different. So by the same principle, if you're 30 or 40 and want to pass judgment on the youth, you can't adequately do so because the standards baked into your brain are just too different from theirs to understand it. My other points take this conclusion and built on it, but you'll probably dispute me on this so I won't go further.
>>7103
>I also despise Crumb so you've lost me on that front too.
I brought up R. Crumb specifically because he was born right at the cusp of modern pop culture, so that his obsession with 1930's and 40's music is all the stranger. In our modern cultural framework, it does not make sense because the 1950's are essentially the dawn of music, but music "really got good" with The Beatles and Woodstock and so on. I'm saying that for an artistically keyed-in person like Crumb to get a front-row seat to all this and just not care defies our expectations, it shouldn't happen, but it makes perfect sense from another angle which I'm trying to explain here.
This pattern has repeated over and over where artistically-inclined people look back to the pop culture from around their birth, and get attached to it for life (It's happening to Y2K culture right now). This is the reason for the common observation that pop culture moves in cycles of roughly 20 years (look at pinkpantheress sampling old 00's ringtones for the most obvious ever example). Most of the artsy 90's rock bands for instance were inspired deeply by AC/DC and Neil Young, whose creative peaks occurred when that 90's generation was in diapers. Normal people idealize their youth, whereas artists idealize things they never got to experience (which can include foreign cultures too). Just as there are entire generations who had 50's nostalgia (leading to things like the musical Grease), there were older European generations who had successive waves of orientalism (Chinoiserie, Turquerie, Japonisme).
The point I'm trying to get across (at least for music) is that there are no universal standards here. If you teleported a person born 200 years ago to now and showed them all our modern culture, he's not going to find that any of our music is the best he's ever heard (or even close) because the standards etched into his brain for music are radically different. So by the same principle, if you're 30 or 40 and want to pass judgment on the youth, you can't adequately do so because the standards baked into your brain are just too different from theirs to understand it. My other points take this conclusion and built on it, but you'll probably dispute me on this so I won't go further.
>>7111
Well, you were right in predicting that I would dispute you. The Crumb example I still find wholly irrelevant. Someone who is a weirdo liked music before his time; this happens often with youth who are ostracized by their peers so retreat into a past world which is safer to them by virtue of being distant and idolized.
I really despise this writing in the second person employed so often. You age out of this, you are stuck in your ways. No, I'm not. You don't know me. Your insistence that people age out of new experiences and tastes is rooted in the same shaky facsimile of neuroscience that leads everyone to say you can't learn a new language or new skills after 25. Physical similes like "brain matter solidifying" "calcifying" "etched into your brain" are attempts to cover this lack of technical insight into the brain while still trying to adhere to science's materialist predetermination. I say, bullshit to all of it.
No, anon, there are degrees in taste. While the average millennial is fine listening to Blink-182 until they drop dead, I am not. I love new music and new experiences and want to be challenged. That is the credo of the music connoisseur. I am not opposed to young music because it is new; I have a specific case against this particular cohort of young people, that they have such a paucity of both intuitive understanding of what makes good music as well as formal and cultural background that they cannot produce anything that is not a copy-of-a-copy. That is what I expressed in my reply to OP, who too, is seeking something new. I told him that there is in fact nothing "NEW", that there are only reflections upon reflections like a carnival funhouse, coming out of today's youth, because we have entered the end of cultural production as a species.
I would remind you that there is also NEW music being produced by people who are not zoomers, and it is indeed quite fertile with fresh and exciting ideas. An important distinction that has been overlooked in this thread so far.
Well, you were right in predicting that I would dispute you. The Crumb example I still find wholly irrelevant. Someone who is a weirdo liked music before his time; this happens often with youth who are ostracized by their peers so retreat into a past world which is safer to them by virtue of being distant and idolized.
I really despise this writing in the second person employed so often. You age out of this, you are stuck in your ways. No, I'm not. You don't know me. Your insistence that people age out of new experiences and tastes is rooted in the same shaky facsimile of neuroscience that leads everyone to say you can't learn a new language or new skills after 25. Physical similes like "brain matter solidifying" "calcifying" "etched into your brain" are attempts to cover this lack of technical insight into the brain while still trying to adhere to science's materialist predetermination. I say, bullshit to all of it.
No, anon, there are degrees in taste. While the average millennial is fine listening to Blink-182 until they drop dead, I am not. I love new music and new experiences and want to be challenged. That is the credo of the music connoisseur. I am not opposed to young music because it is new; I have a specific case against this particular cohort of young people, that they have such a paucity of both intuitive understanding of what makes good music as well as formal and cultural background that they cannot produce anything that is not a copy-of-a-copy. That is what I expressed in my reply to OP, who too, is seeking something new. I told him that there is in fact nothing "NEW", that there are only reflections upon reflections like a carnival funhouse, coming out of today's youth, because we have entered the end of cultural production as a species.
I would remind you that there is also NEW music being produced by people who are not zoomers, and it is indeed quite fertile with fresh and exciting ideas. An important distinction that has been overlooked in this thread so far.
No.7129
Anonymous
2025-08-16 07:26:27
>>7121
>I am not. I love new music and new experiences and want to be challenged. That is the credo of the music connoisseur. I am not opposed to young music because it is new
What music do you like? Post chart.
>I am not. I love new music and new experiences and want to be challenged. That is the credo of the music connoisseur. I am not opposed to young music because it is new
What music do you like? Post chart.
No.7133
Anonymous
2025-08-16 10:46:22
>>7121
Humans recycle culture, it's not a bad thing. Do you look down on pirate movies because Robert Louis Stevenson did Treasure Island first?
>we have entered the end of cultural production as a species.
Anyway, this is a crazy claim. It always baffles me how some people can be so deeply rooted in THEIR time, their era, when it is just a speck of a speck on wider history. There are boomers who only listen to the Rolling Stones who think millennial music is garbage, and they're using the exact same arguments that you're using now. What makes you different from them?
Humans recycle culture, it's not a bad thing. Do you look down on pirate movies because Robert Louis Stevenson did Treasure Island first?
>we have entered the end of cultural production as a species.
Anyway, this is a crazy claim. It always baffles me how some people can be so deeply rooted in THEIR time, their era, when it is just a speck of a speck on wider history. There are boomers who only listen to the Rolling Stones who think millennial music is garbage, and they're using the exact same arguments that you're using now. What makes you different from them?
The way this entire argument orbits music is obnoxious. I listened to classic rock as a teen when people were developing their taste for whatever was out at the time and I listened to a little of that too. I still do listen to bits of new music. However, if you're not a musician yourself, caring about this shit past teen age, particularly to the point that you base larger worldviews on generational generalizations about music taste, is ridiculous. I'd compare it to being a foodie, except it's worse, because they don't tend to make arguments about how the matcha boba labubu dubai chocolate generation of today compares to the boomer arrival of sushi or whatever.
No.7147
Anonymous
2025-08-17 00:35:12
i found this random rapper through /mu/ in the very early 2010s then emailed this cat around idk the mid or late 2010s looking for some of his older/first tapes (I had SOME of them but wanted to see if i had a full collection) and I ended up having more saved than the MC himself
thought that was something
thanks for reading xoxo
thought that was something
thanks for reading xoxo
>>7139
It happens to other things as well. Kuhn goes over exactly how this applies to scientific paradigms on an individual level in this book. Anyway, it's a shame that even in this far-flung corner of the internet people are no less close-minded or open to challenging ideas. You guys could have learned an interesting new idea, but instead you fought me at every turn. Whatever, bye.
It happens to other things as well. Kuhn goes over exactly how this applies to scientific paradigms on an individual level in this book. Anyway, it's a shame that even in this far-flung corner of the internet people are no less close-minded or open to challenging ideas. You guys could have learned an interesting new idea, but instead you fought me at every turn. Whatever, bye.
No.7151
Anonymous
2025-08-17 07:05:53
>>7148
Apparently you are someone who once made a claim for yourself on the basis of her working class roots. This may have been useful once, but obviously several decades have passed and the hypocrisy of your present position is becoming all too clear. Blow your old, dusty proletarian tuba with all your might, but the unhappy truth is that for many years your life has been one of coterie privilege and dining clubs, a cozy, smug, chic literary insiders' set that would turn the stomach of any authentic member of the working class. You have become a sheltered, pampered sultan of slick, snide wordplay, without direct experience of life of any kind. As a writer approaching midlife, you lack vision and deep insight.
As I said before, your encounter with me has been a pivotal moment for you. Here was your chance to reassess and invigorate your career. What I could have provided was a way for you to combat the widespread view of you as flash and superficial. Alas, your letters have done more damage to you than anything I could do.
Apparently you are someone who once made a claim for yourself on the basis of her working class roots. This may have been useful once, but obviously several decades have passed and the hypocrisy of your present position is becoming all too clear. Blow your old, dusty proletarian tuba with all your might, but the unhappy truth is that for many years your life has been one of coterie privilege and dining clubs, a cozy, smug, chic literary insiders' set that would turn the stomach of any authentic member of the working class. You have become a sheltered, pampered sultan of slick, snide wordplay, without direct experience of life of any kind. As a writer approaching midlife, you lack vision and deep insight.
As I said before, your encounter with me has been a pivotal moment for you. Here was your chance to reassess and invigorate your career. What I could have provided was a way for you to combat the widespread view of you as flash and superficial. Alas, your letters have done more damage to you than anything I could do.
No.7161
Anonymous
2025-08-17 14:12:33
>>7148
Was taught Kuhn while you were still playing Roblox or whatever.
Was taught Kuhn while you were still playing Roblox or whatever.
No.7162
Anonymous
2025-08-17 17:31:26
>>7148
Maybe it's because your writing drips with condescension and you struggle to make your point coherently. Forget it, must be the entire Internet that's wrong and close-minded, and not the fact that you consider yourself an instructor come to preach 'interesting new (60 year old) ideas' and dismiss any criticism as the product of personality issues.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Maybe it's because your writing drips with condescension and you struggle to make your point coherently. Forget it, must be the entire Internet that's wrong and close-minded, and not the fact that you consider yourself an instructor come to preach 'interesting new (60 year old) ideas' and dismiss any criticism as the product of personality issues.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
No.7201
Anonymous
2025-08-19 18:41:31
>>7148
Zoomie reads 1 (one) book and thinks he already knows everything
Zoomie reads 1 (one) book and thinks he already knows everything
No.7205
Anonymous
2025-08-19 22:23:59
When it comes to music, I tend to like recent (as in past five years) more, and recent made by people close to my age the best. I can like both the 2020 song talking about being isolated from your peers and the 1980s song talking about being isolated from your peers, but I lean towards the former more because the person/people is/are going through the same time of humanity as I am, and I find that inherently more personal. They speak about it like someone who has went through what I have went through. They are more inclined to share my experiences and therefore my mindset. So I think, at least. I find it odd because I am the opposite with literature. I tend to like older stuff better.
Really, the problem with "coolness" is that people think you can emulate what was cool at one time and still be cool. Coolness is inherently contemporary. That being said, I still find older people making good music. Most artists with history tend to want to hold on to that history, and often their fans are mostly people who only want the same thing repeatedly. If an artist can allow themselves to grow and experiment, I believe it is not too difficult to remain contemporary. It's probably also worth mentioning that music as we know it is extremely recent, only one hundred years old or so.
>>7139
I think sushi is the peak of cuisine, actually. I wish more people liked it.
Really, the problem with "coolness" is that people think you can emulate what was cool at one time and still be cool. Coolness is inherently contemporary. That being said, I still find older people making good music. Most artists with history tend to want to hold on to that history, and often their fans are mostly people who only want the same thing repeatedly. If an artist can allow themselves to grow and experiment, I believe it is not too difficult to remain contemporary. It's probably also worth mentioning that music as we know it is extremely recent, only one hundred years old or so.
>>7139
I think sushi is the peak of cuisine, actually. I wish more people liked it.
I don't even know who was who in that pointlessly long argument, I will just say to OP that I think 4chan, like a lot of websites, is just a demographic bubble/echo chamber now.
No one old on there is required to interact with young people, the site has explicit rules against it, and anyone young who would discover it for the first time won't anymore. Their school friends are all on instagram/tiktok, so they will be too, why bother with an outdated looking edgy secret club without profiles? (case in point: me being unable to follow the above arguments)
So without it, you just get a greatest hits of milloomer babble and actual geriatric sunglasses-in-car-PFP people who found /pol/ in 2022 spouting the most retarded thoughts ever wherever they leak out. Honestly I don't bother much with 4chan anymore because of it, but I don't feel like I've found any good replacement either for a website that isn't either just for actual children or jaded shut-in adults
No one old on there is required to interact with young people, the site has explicit rules against it, and anyone young who would discover it for the first time won't anymore. Their school friends are all on instagram/tiktok, so they will be too, why bother with an outdated looking edgy secret club without profiles? (case in point: me being unable to follow the above arguments)
So without it, you just get a greatest hits of milloomer babble and actual geriatric sunglasses-in-car-PFP people who found /pol/ in 2022 spouting the most retarded thoughts ever wherever they leak out. Honestly I don't bother much with 4chan anymore because of it, but I don't feel like I've found any good replacement either for a website that isn't either just for actual children or jaded shut-in adults
No.7407
Anonymous
2025-09-05 11:13:01
>>7406
It has been very funny watching R9K turn from incel central to a place where otherwise-well-adjusted 30 year olds fall for genderwar bait. It's basically RSP for chudz
It has been very funny watching R9K turn from incel central to a place where otherwise-well-adjusted 30 year olds fall for genderwar bait. It's basically RSP for chudz
No.7409
Anonymous
2025-09-05 13:44:18
>>7406
First off, 4chan has always been the anus of the internets. It's never been good and I avoided it a solid 20 years before a brief moment spent where it and the RS subreddit felt like the very last resorts in a corporate internet that sucks so hard you can't even comprehend it.
If you're lamenting all this shit, you should just get offline anyway. Maintain a small presence on the brainrot of Tiktok or whatever it is you think the cool kids do now if you are young and feel you must, but stop thinking the internet is for you. It is for the shut-ins. The fucked up ones, or fucked people on their way to becoming that way, belong to 4chan or tiny politically radical fringes. The okay ones belong on in-game chat. The good ones should be autistically hobby-posting or on a Star Trek forum.
You don't belong on it at all if you don't understand that and you're making the world worse for everyone as a result. You belong in front of a television, or at the library, or the park. If older, those a little less as you have work and homemaking.
First off, 4chan has always been the anus of the internets. It's never been good and I avoided it a solid 20 years before a brief moment spent where it and the RS subreddit felt like the very last resorts in a corporate internet that sucks so hard you can't even comprehend it.
If you're lamenting all this shit, you should just get offline anyway. Maintain a small presence on the brainrot of Tiktok or whatever it is you think the cool kids do now if you are young and feel you must, but stop thinking the internet is for you. It is for the shut-ins. The fucked up ones, or fucked people on their way to becoming that way, belong to 4chan or tiny politically radical fringes. The okay ones belong on in-game chat. The good ones should be autistically hobby-posting or on a Star Trek forum.
You don't belong on it at all if you don't understand that and you're making the world worse for everyone as a result. You belong in front of a television, or at the library, or the park. If older, those a little less as you have work and homemaking.
>>7406
>(case in point: me being unable to follow the above arguments)
Are zoomers really this retarded?
>(case in point: me being unable to follow the above arguments)
Are zoomers really this retarded?
>>7414
Lmao he really bumped a nearly three week old thread to say he didn't understand what's going on. It was that important to him
Lmao he really bumped a nearly three week old thread to say he didn't understand what's going on. It was that important to him
>>7414
>>7415
Are one of you the OP who got mad and posted people "could have learned something new but were fighting him at every turn"? This site gets no fucking traffic whatsoever the only people who I can imagine would remember when things were posted and try to use it as an argument, would be the saddo's who originally fucking posted it and judging from the argument I chose to ignore, left because "people were fighting them at every turn" 3 weeks ago
>>7415
Are one of you the OP who got mad and posted people "could have learned something new but were fighting him at every turn"? This site gets no fucking traffic whatsoever the only people who I can imagine would remember when things were posted and try to use it as an argument, would be the saddo's who originally fucking posted it and judging from the argument I chose to ignore, left because "people were fighting them at every turn" 3 weeks ago
No.7417
Anonymous
2025-09-07 09:30:27
>>7416
Why the fuck would either of us be OP? Why not just bitch about him directly instead of making random anons "prove" themselves
Why the fuck would either of us be OP? Why not just bitch about him directly instead of making random anons "prove" themselves
No.7419
Anonymous
2025-09-08 05:13:27
>>7416
Nah, I came here recently, skimmed the thread (I ain't reading all those wall of texts that say nothing) saw the zoomer admitting being a complete retard and decided to take a jab
Nah, I came here recently, skimmed the thread (I ain't reading all those wall of texts that say nothing) saw the zoomer admitting being a complete retard and decided to take a jab