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No.6308 jgb>>6317 >>6552 >>7302 >>7877 2025-07-14 17:57:53
site updates + meta thread
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Hi /pt/,

I fixed the thing where old threads get bumped by spam posts and then don't drop back down the catalog when the useless replies get deleted.

At the same time I bumped the version of the web framework, seems to work fine on my end but if anyone has any issues please let me know.

You may have noticed that I added some nav links at the bottom of threads recently too, hopefully they are useful.

Anyway I've noticed a bit of an increase in posts about the site culture and moderation so consider this an admin approved thread for discussing these topics frankly and openly.

I know there are not really any published rules for the board or anything and that is deliberate but I am happy to answer questions here about my own 'philosophy' if that is not too grand a word.

cheers,
jack

p.s. have been enjoying processing the submissions for ventoux issue 2, you can still submit! the email is ventoux at this domain.
No.6312 Anonymous>>6318 2025-07-14 23:16:20
One thing I wanted to know, do you want this to be a more strictly /lit/-focused board?
No.6317 Anonymous>>6318 2025-07-15 04:32:04
>>6308 (OP)
>hopefully they are useful.
They are, thanks!
No.6318 Anonymous 2025-07-15 06:04:51
>>6312
It's important to me that literature is one of the main things discussed on the board, in part because literature is one of the closest things to my own heart, but also because a board which discusses serious books is likely to have good discussion about most other things.

Implicit here is the answer to your question, which is that I do not desire for /pt/ to be exclusively about literature. The governing principle of the board should be a vibe and a certain amount of common feeling among the users rather than a content policy. This is, approximately, how rsp works, and in its heydey it was an extremely good web forum. It's still better than most others.

On the topic of content policies: I despise nothing more than despotic little reddit mods who get two inch hard ons every time they ban someone for violating rule 17 subsection (b). I would prefer you to think that my moderation is arbitrary and opinionated than pedantic and smug.

>>6317
I'm glad :)
No.6538 Anonymous>>6545 2025-07-26 01:42:08
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Hi admin. I think it would be cool if we could upload .pdfs, and would fit in the theme of the board. I think the potential benefit to this outweighs the security and legal problems (let's bring trust back to the small-i internet).
No.6542 Anonymous>>6545 2025-07-26 11:18:37
Do you like what you've created?
No.6545 Anonymous>>6548 2025-07-26 11:29:46
>>6538
sorry, but this is unlikely to happen because as you note the copyright risk is significant and pdfs are a potential vector for attacks similar to the 4chan hack.
>>6542
yes, I do. it is not perfect, I sometimes wish that people would respond a bit more constructively to each other, and of course we could do with more traffic and post volume, but I think the board is on a steady upwards trajectory and I view the building of the community here as an ongoing and collaborative process.
No.6548 Anonymous>>6549 2025-07-26 12:02:56
>>6545
You really want this place to be super professional and serious lol, should just accept being part of the internet dredges and let the black flag fly... Ah well. Maybe I'll host an IPFS instance or smth
No.6549 Anonymous 2025-07-26 12:06:37
>>6548
I absolutely do not want it to be 'professional and serious' lol. This whole project is about carving out a place on the web that is entirely independent of 'professional and serious' (i.e. amoral) big tech. I just want to minimise the possibility of the board getting vandalised / having to take it offline.
No.6552 Anonymous>>6553 >>7877 2025-07-26 14:33:13
>>6308 (OP)
Please add the ability to quick-reply to a post by clicking its number; that'd be a huge QoL improvement.

Thank you for your work thus far.
No.6553 Anonymous>>6554 2025-07-26 14:48:01
>>6552
This
No.6554 Anonymous>>6575 2025-07-26 14:55:50
>>6553
I'm not the admin, but my understanding is that that's hard to do w/o JavaScript, which the admin doesn't like
No.6555 Anonymous 2025-07-26 15:53:59
Admin, add free punjabi flash games that I can play whilst waiting for a reply to my genius posts.
No.6557 Anonymous 2025-07-26 17:06:38
Good job.
No.6558 Anonymous>>6559 2025-07-26 19:55:14
have you thought about open sourcing the code at some point?
No.6559 Anonymous>>6561 2025-07-26 20:08:25
>>6558
It's already open source, it's called plainchant you can find it on GitHub.
No.6561 Anonymous>>6567 2025-07-26 20:47:53
>>6559
Admin console is vulnerable btw. Cool repo tho
No.6567 Anonymous 2025-07-26 23:34:09
>>6561
If you have a genuine exploit against the endpoint please contact me at the address given in the footer of this site. As far as I can tell it seems robust.
No.6575 Anonymous 2025-07-27 09:24:38
>>6554
It's possible with a userscript.
No.7240 Anonymous>>7242 2025-08-21 13:54:18
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Dear admin,

I tried to post a reply with an image, but was hit with a "file size exceeded" response. What is the file size limit?

Thanks.
No.7242 Anonymous 2025-08-21 14:06:06
>>7240
4 MiB
No.7245 Anonymous>>7253 2025-08-21 19:44:43
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Does this site also keeps a record of every message (with the associated IP) like 4cucks does?
No.7253 Anonymous 2025-08-22 08:09:26
>>7245
the software records your IP along with the post you make. when the thread falls off the bottom of the catalog your post, and the IP associated with it, is entirely deleted. you can check the source code to prove this if you care.
No.7302 Anonymous 2025-08-27 20:48:58
>>6308 (OP)
Quoting another thread:
>Anon: It's clear either way admin has no overt interest in distinguishing this website from 4chan.
>Admin: I do, but I was rather hoping it could be done without heavy moderation.
Like I said there, 4chan is heavily moderated, just not well. It's far easier for a shitty user to ruin a discussion than for a good user to fix one.

Set up some rules and expectations, and you can be transparent about what gets culled. You wouldn't be the first to brand offenders with USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST in big red letters.
No.7795 Anonymous>>7796 >>7861 2025-10-17 13:57:26
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Admin, is there any word on whether posting will be brought back? Or is petrarchan being left to the trolls? No hate just curious
No.7796 Anonymous 2025-10-17 16:42:04
>>7795
posting? are we not posting right now?
No.7811 Anonymous 2025-10-18 04:32:02
Are you not entertained????
No.7861 Anonymous 2025-10-19 06:45:49
>>7795
Would 4chan have been 4chan without the trolls?
No.7877 Anonymous>>7887 2025-10-19 14:00:43
>>6308 (OP)

do you accept PRs to the source code? for feature contributions like
>>6552
which should be achievable w/o js by using a styled tag with an anchor href.
No.7887 Anonymous 2025-10-19 18:17:24
>>7877
sure, you can send a PR. No guarantee that I will accept it though :p
No.7899 Anonymous>>7900 2025-10-22 03:28:59
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when will u reopen this site for poastin
No.7900 Anonymous 2025-10-22 09:06:25
>>7899
soon, but probably with links disabled
No.7945 Anonymous 2025-11-05 14:34:33
Easy way to stop the spam: restrict to ASCII
No.7946 Anonymous 2025-11-05 15:12:14
Nah admin has just left this place out to dry until it finally croaks for good
No.7947 Anonymous 2025-11-05 15:36:13
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He's too busy serving pints to Barry to sit at home and write boring-ass spam catcher code. I do not blame him one bit.

Literally comments on reddit 100x more than his own website that he wrote the whole fucking backend for. If that's not chad behavior I don't know what is.
No.7948 Anonymous 2025-11-05 16:12:28
But having a reddit account is cucked
No.7949 Anonymous 2025-11-05 16:21:11
Admin! Delete your reddit account and return to your people
No.7950 Anonymous>>7954 2025-11-05 17:15:14
Sorry guys, tbh i got a bit rattled by the cp and neglected the site for a bit. Posting is back, but no links allowed any more.

If anyone knows a good way of blocking VPN IPs let me know, literally all unwanted posts come from VPNs.
No.7954 Anonymous>>7968 2025-11-06 05:13:14
>>7950
I'm sure there are public lists out there. A quick search led me to several on github.

The admin of Rateyourmusic does this but it's trivially easy to get past by using an exit node in a smaller country with lesser-used servers. Not sure if he rolls his own list or uses public ones. It sucks for a lot of people, e.g. Chinese users. It's not a perfect system.

IP blocking also runs the risk of punishing those behind a CGNAT like mobile users.

Geoblocking is stupid too, practically 20th century security at this point -- though if you want to ban all American users you would see the quality of discussion increase dramatically. Food for thought...

There's a lot of security debate out there about how IP-based blocking isn't the number one solution, or shouldn't be used exclusively. Also banning links won't stop the kiddy porn posters as they use images, and this is an imageboard. Sorry that webhosting sucks so much in current year. I also believe in the dream of micro-scale communities but we are finding out together the hard way why that has fallen by the wayside.
No.7955 Anonymous>>7970 2025-11-06 16:49:11
Put all new posts with images in a mod queue?
No.7966 Anonymous>>7967 >>7971 2025-11-09 16:09:13
Proposal: ban the Spanish language from petrarchan. It's what Charlie Kirk would have wanted.
No.7967 Anonymous>>7971 2025-11-09 19:53:28
>>7966
was pasting the pasta here offensive? to whom?
in case: sorry, need to be more careful next time
No.7968 Anonymous>>7970 >>7990 >>8009 2025-11-09 22:54:00
>>7954
>I also believe in the dream of micro-scale communities but we are finding out together the hard way why that has fallen by the wayside.
So do I. I do think the web was better when it was more text than images though. Imageboards like this are quaint and nostalgic now but were once the cutting edge of rotting the internet. I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too. Lately, I've been hanging out on parts of the internet that are not the web. It's better, but there's literally nothing that can be done about the externality of 99.9% of people using the internet in the decadent fashion they have been for the past couple decades. If you opt out of the derangement machine and everyone else opts in, you still have to deal with crazy people all the time. It's just the crazy people become society rather than a mere subset that uses the derangement machine.
No.7970 Anonymous>>7971 >>8085 2025-11-10 01:49:29
>>7968
>I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too.
That's interesting, and made me realise it probably has to do with the information density of an image, and how that means it can easily supersede text. You can spread around a copypasta, but it's nowhere near as immediate in effect as an image. No images on a site means it demands a different kind of attention, and I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted to /lit/, but it seemed dead on arrival.

That said, no images means you're missing out on a really information-dense medium. It's part of why I think /mu/ worked for so long: album art is most often a very permanent and representative image associated with the album itself, more so than say a book cover. Some /mu/core album could get in your head before you even listen to it because you'd already seen it a million times.

I can imagine a hybrid solution where image uploads are almost entirely separate from primary discourse, where images are submitted to a queue similar to what >>7955 says, but the post would go through before, and irrespective of, the image approval; a post could reference an image with say an embed, but would exist independently. Approved images are then permanently hosted (maybe that's a little onerous) and can be referenced by users. But this is me bullshitting, not really suggesting it.
No.7971 Anonymous 2025-11-10 02:08:00
>>7966 >>7967

Are you guys referring to >>7957? That's Portuguese, obviously.

>>7970

I don't think admin wants queues because it increases his workload by a hundred. And he already has a job and life outside of the internet (somehow). The spam only started when this place got advertisement from imageboard circles and other second-hand chan backwash like Kiwifarms -- for a full year and a half or so it was just folks from reddit and was totally fine and even rather active.
No.7983 Anonymous>>8071 2025-11-12 02:28:10
Game plan is to implement local AI first-stage filtering of posts for spam (and worse), with manual post approval. Should not make too much of a difference for you guys.
No.7984 Anonymous>>7985 2025-11-12 03:35:41
>AI filtering

Uh, is it self-hosted or are you feeding le algorithm with our shitposts?
No.7985 Anonymous>>7986 2025-11-12 04:12:01
>>7984 self hosted naturally
No.7986 Anonymous 2025-11-12 04:29:59
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>>7985
No.7990 Anonymous>>8085 2025-11-12 17:23:54
>>7968
The problem with only text now is that it attracts long boring posters like shit does flies. Difficult to get back what we have lost
No.8024 Anonymous>>8028 2025-11-16 12:13:42
Hello admin, what file formats are allowed on /pt/?
No.8028 Anonymous 2025-11-16 22:42:12
>>8024
pretty much any 'normal' image should work I think? maybe except avif
No.8071 Anonymous>>8072 2025-11-21 01:29:57
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>>7983
Looks like a certain admin lurks our little corner of the web and got some inspiration...
No.8072 Anonymous 2025-11-21 07:41:13
>>8071
if he steals my idea i'm gonna sue him for his millions
No.8085 Anonymous>>8099 2025-11-22 16:12:45
>>7970
>I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted
Share. I don't care how doomed you think it is, that still sounds better.
>>7990
>The problem with only text now is that it attracts long boring posters like shit does flies
You'd have to be specific about what you mean by long and boring. It may just be that you're one of the externality types I'm talking about. Or it could just be that externality plus selection bias, because there are plenty of people capable of a text only community. I was there. I saw it. It disappeared when iPhones and Facebook brought the dregs in and then a billion or two third worlders logged on as well, which was just too much for internet culture to acclimate in such a short amount of time.
No.8099 Anonymous 2025-11-24 14:28:12
>>8085
>Share. I don't care how doomed you think it is, that still sounds better.
not that anon, but there is bluedwarf dot top. It's a forum with no images permitted. There is a tiny userbase and not very interesting posts.
No.8456 Anonymous>>8458 2026-02-17 21:19:59
You gonna keep the link block on, Admin?
No.8458 Anonymous>>8459 2026-02-17 21:33:45
>>8456
yeah probably
No.8459 Anonymous>>8461 2026-02-17 23:17:58
>>8458
Would you consider making a domain whitelist? Even just for basic shit like Bandcamp and YouTube.
No.8461 Anonymous 2026-02-18 00:28:52
>>8459
actually quite a good idea...
No.8526 Anonymous>>8743 2026-02-25 14:44:49
Is there a specific reason why original filenames for uploads aren't shown in posts? It's very useful in the typical imageboard format for image sources.
No.8555 Anonymous>>8556 2026-03-02 00:28:11
I better not be friggin banned.
No.8556 Anonymous 2026-03-02 06:10:15
>>8555
Like I said in another thread, bro. Us weebs are truly the most oppressed class of people /jk
No.8610 Anonymous>>8611 2026-03-09 13:51:46
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What's this?
No.8611 Anonymous>>8987 2026-03-09 13:59:16
>>8610
it mean's there's at least one thread in the mod queue
No.8671 Anonymous>>8672 2026-03-13 16:18:41
I added a domain whitelist. You can put links to youtube, reddit, wikipedia. If you want another site added please just ask :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh8-5goroco
No.8672 Anonymous>>8673 2026-03-13 17:08:03
>>8671
Bandcamp please.
No.8673 Anonymous>>8675 >>8689 2026-03-13 17:13:48
>>8672
bit tricky because it uses per-artist subdomains :/
No.8674 Anonymous>>8676 2026-03-13 17:14:05
has the archive been around or did you just add it
No.8675 Anonymous>>8677 2026-03-13 17:16:22
>>8673
Is that not something that can be easily wildcarded? or filtered around ".bandcamp.com"?
No.8676 Anonymous 2026-03-13 17:16:48
>>8674
just added it. so when posts fall off the bottom they should be there for a while. also means that good threads don't necessarily get killed by spam / shit threads.
No.8677 Anonymous>>8684 2026-03-13 17:18:41
>>8675
i try and keep the codebase relatively minimal so the url matching is just a list of domains in the database which i build into a hashset at runtime and then compare against. i guess i could build one massive regex of all legal domains (incl wildcarding) and use that as the filter but (a) its more complex (b) it could plausibly blow up the performance if the whitelist got large, while a hashset is strictly O(1) lookup
No.8679 Anonymous>>8684 2026-03-14 11:33:48
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I'm iffy on the archive, I sort of enjoyed the freedom knowing I could shitpost and it wouldn't be saved forever to be dug up in the future. But it's your site so w/e
No.8684 Anonymous 2026-03-14 15:17:54
>>8677
I'm not certain on how the hash stuff works, but if it requires exact matches then is there not something you could be doing at the parsing stage? I figure you have to be identifying URLs somehow in the first place to block posts, so maybe a rule could be implemented at that stage to ignore subdomains, or rather not identify subdomains as part of your URL parser or whatever.

>>8679
If it's the same as 4chan's built-in archive, it's not a permanent archive but limited to X posts or days. But I don't know.
No.8689 Anonymous 2026-03-14 23:55:59
>>8673

It's called Claude Code bruh no excuses
No.8691 Anonymous>>8694 2026-03-15 00:45:51
Archive is empty now when it previously held a single thread. Did the thread age out or something? Are there limits to the archive?
No.8694 Anonymous>>8695 2026-03-15 01:07:53
>>8691
the thread was pushed to the archive because there was a new thread in the mod queue, which i deleted, so it got restored to the catalog
No.8695 Anonymous>>8696 2026-03-15 02:51:55
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>>8694
Was it spam or are you actually starting to do some sort of intentional curation?
No.8696 Anonymous 2026-03-15 03:14:19
>>8695
pointless soyjak thread
No.8743 Anonymous>>8744 2026-03-18 13:42:40
Admin: >>8526? I'm wondering about filenames again.
No.8744 Anonymous>>8745 2026-03-18 13:46:09
>>8743
IIRC there's a technical reason why it's tricky or maybe impossible for multipart form upload. But also I think they're clutter and not very useful.
No.8745 Anonymous 2026-03-18 14:15:26
>>8744
It came back to mind specifically because I was reverse-searching a photo someone posted here, which led me to its entry on Wikimedia Commons, where all of the images generally have semantic filenames that make them easy to track down. If the filename had been preserved, there's a chance I could have just used that to find it, which is relevant as reverse image searching becomes increasingly shitty. They're especially useful for any explicitly named image as well, like works of art.
>clutter
Even if it were only included in the filename it'd still be useful; that'd show up on hover or in new tabs, so no new UI element.
No.8986 Anonymous>>8987 2026-04-03 00:06:59
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What is this?
No.8987 Anonymous 2026-04-03 03:04:50
>>8986
see
>>8611
No.8991 Anonymous 2026-04-03 05:40:05
Oh right, thanks
No.9396 Anonymous>>9397 >>9399 >>9402 2026-04-22 11:51:46
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Saw this on /lit/ and found it odd that it wasn't linking to the Ventoux Substack or any other pieces, plus that a post wasn't made about it here. What's up with this?

The title of another piece on that blog also seems like something I'd seen recently, though I can't place where.
No.9397 Anonymous>>9399 2026-04-22 11:54:28
>>9396
Realised Nathan Young was a contributor in the first issue, and that I'd seen some of his stuff on /lit/, so that makes a little more sense why things seemed familiar.
No.9398 Anonymous>>9401 2026-04-22 12:13:24
Wow we have been absolutely BTFO that Ventoux was posted first on /lit/ AND not even mentioned here. This place must be a sheer embarrassment to Admin - not surprising in the least considering the quality posts here. I'm reminded when the admin of Rateyourmusic made the forums behind a login wall to hide his shame at how shit they were
No.9399 Anonymous>>9406 2026-04-22 12:16:40
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>>9397
>>9396
Oh that's interesting. That post on /lit/ is AI (or at least the picture is), I can tell by the pixels (for real: just check the shape of the X of the Ventoux pic : /boards.4chan.org/lit/thread/25225483 compare here ventouxmag.substack.com/p/issue1). Although why is the X the only letter affected?
It's a call for paper for issue 2 then 3. It is probably AI.
No.9400 Anonymous 2026-04-22 12:19:06
Oof, I have been duped. I wonder if it's that ChatGPT guy trying to make a point.
No.9401 Anonymous 2026-04-22 12:22:16
>>9398
You were very ready to be outraged mate
No.9402 Anonymous 2026-04-22 12:24:55
>>9396
nothing to do with me
No.9406 Anonymous>>9407 2026-04-22 13:27:58
>>9399
The linked Substack seems to be real, since it's linked from Nathan Young's personal site (mitka.net), which has existed for quite a while. Whether the OP is Nathan is up in the air, but it seems unlikely. I wouldn't think his writing is AI either since he's been at it for a while (4+ years) and seems earnest.

It's otherwise (almost) just a copy-paste of the last Ventoux OP on /lit/. Odds are whoever posted it was waiting for it to come up here too.
No.9407 Anonymous>>9411 2026-04-22 13:37:20
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>>9406
There might not even be that much intention behind the post. It could just be a rehash of /lit/ posts. I'm sure Nathan Young's substack has been posted in threads associated with Ventoux.
No.9411 Anonymous 2026-04-22 15:00:42
>>9407
His Substack has only been posted once on /lit/, a couple months ago, around the same time as his current site (with the older one being jerdarious.org).
No.9887 Anonymous>>9888 2026-05-10 13:38:02
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Reply preview from a post header shows all the text in bold. Doesn't do this if you look at the inverse preview---the quote itself in a post. The first is also in a serif font, and the second sans.
No.9888 Anonymous>>9890 2026-05-10 13:47:04
>>9887
which browser is this?
No.9890 Anonymous 2026-05-10 15:12:22
>>9888
Firefox 150.0.2, Windows 10.
No.9891 Anonymous 2026-05-10 15:13:38
>using winblows
No.9894 Anonymous 2026-05-11 01:06:43
>>9829
You should try clearing your cache I think it's ctrl f5
No.10081 Anonymous>>10085 2026-05-18 13:46:51
The URL filter seems to block shortened youtu.be links but not their full youtube counterparts. Any chance you could add more detailed error messages? or details on post limits somewhere on the site? I couldn't figure out if the issue was the links, the file size, or the character count without re-editing and trying to post it.
No.10085 Anonymous 2026-05-18 15:53:23
>>10081
I will have think about this and make some changes next time I update the site. Thanks for the suggestions.
No.10607 Anonymous 2026-06-16 20:11:50
Bump but also thinking about URL whitelisting again.

Noticed that the Ventoux Substack link up above worked. Do all Substack subdomains work, or is Ventoux's specifically whitelisted?

>test
dummy.substack.com
No.10608 Anonymous>>10611 2026-06-16 20:12:25
Alright, is Bandcamp still not allowed?
>test
ablenoise.bandcamp.com
No.10609 Anonymous 2026-06-16 20:12:56
Nice.
No.10611 Anonymous>>10613 2026-06-16 20:34:27
>>10608
basically, whisper it, but you can post any link without https:// at the start it just won't go blue. the whitelisting is just for blue links.
No.10613 Anonymous 2026-06-16 22:37:17
>>10611
I started to figure once I saw they weren't clickable. Damn. Useful to know anyway, so thanks.