at one point not so long ago it was a real toss up who was going to "win the culture war" and whether you could like have aunt jemimah on pancakes or whatever. now its 2026 and middle schoolers call each other Jew Jew Jew Sahur during recess. The present is a foreign country etc
No.12584
Anonymous
2026-09-16 15:15:27
>Jew Jew Jew Sahur during recess
The complete utter breakdown of the taboo of antisemitism in such a fast period of time is insane to watch. Kanye wouldn't have been cancelled if he had his meltdown a couple of years later.
The complete utter breakdown of the taboo of antisemitism in such a fast period of time is insane to watch. Kanye wouldn't have been cancelled if he had his meltdown a couple of years later.
this feels silly to say because comparing October 7th to 9/11 is the kind of thing liberal zionists used to do all the time, but I think that in retrospect they'll be seen kind of in the same way, not in terms of tragedy but both being dominos that totally changed the entire zeitgeist of the following decade. I mean, without Sinwar you wouldn't have the entire American political spectrum casually talking like /pol/. I wonder if he knew when he died just what kind of avalanche his little plan was setting off.
No.12598
Anonymous
2026-09-16 18:48:37
who the fuck is in charge of posting this stuff
No.12600
Anonymous
2026-09-16 20:49:20
I feel like the vibe shift on Israel is significantly inorganic. I suspect there are elements of the natsec deep state that are sick of Israel's influence of the US and are working behind the backs of the subverted "democratic" parts of the government to throw off the Israeli yoke. Critical support mind you, but it's nonetheless very fishy.
>12600 It felt organic to me. the mainstream media such as the New York times was rabidly zionist for the first couple weeks after 10/7, even by NYT standards. this was reflected in celebrity and normie attitudes towards it. then over the next year or so there was a gradual frog boiling during which I saw my peers very gradually (this is why it feels real) shift from standard liberal free-palestine, two state solution stuff, to automatic disdain for anything related to Israel, to losing their conception of Jewish people as a protected class and thinking of Judaism similarly to how people thought of "whiteness" during COVID, to casual use of 4chan-level dogwhistles. I think the reason this happened is simply because there is no traditional liberal explanation for what people saw happening after 10/7, and because they saw how completely unapologetic the American government, Israeli government, and most Jewish people they knew were about it all. I also think the fact that this happened overlapping both a D and R presidential term was important, and the Epstein thing happening when it did was perfectly timed when people were already primed to be suspicious of Jews and Israel.
I feel like we're ignoring the running thread of them shitting on effective altruism. Not to beat a dead horse, even though it's less wrong (ha ha), but are they doing a schism with the rationalists that are *building their proverbial bomb*?
No.12606
Anonymous
2026-09-16 22:41:56
>>12603
The last I heard of effective altruists was that an insane tranny was using the movement to conduct petty terrorist attacks against his personal enemies in the Bay Area.
The last I heard of effective altruists was that an insane tranny was using the movement to conduct petty terrorist attacks against his personal enemies in the Bay Area.
No.12610
Anonymous
2026-09-17 03:03:44
don't give me hope
No.12611
Anonymous
2026-09-17 03:32:44
>>12603
It doesn't matter. It's a few overly online zoomers behind a social media account shitposting. It's not indicative of any schism as if this is a Nicene council decision with hundreds of patriarchs in attendance. It's not only not worthy of such tea leaf reading into "ideological schisms", it further obscures the truth and contributes to the spooks' FUD.
It doesn't matter. It's a few overly online zoomers behind a social media account shitposting. It's not indicative of any schism as if this is a Nicene council decision with hundreds of patriarchs in attendance. It's not only not worthy of such tea leaf reading into "ideological schisms", it further obscures the truth and contributes to the spooks' FUD.
>>12587
I'd disagree that 10/7 had the same impact as 9/11. 9/11 caused immediate and severe impacts to everything. The world quite literally stood still after 9/11. Meanwhile,while israel's batshit insane response to 10/7 may have been the starting point, but it was also Epstein, Netanyahu tricking trump into Iran,and so on.
I'd disagree that 10/7 had the same impact as 9/11. 9/11 caused immediate and severe impacts to everything. The world quite literally stood still after 9/11. Meanwhile,while israel's batshit insane response to 10/7 may have been the starting point, but it was also Epstein, Netanyahu tricking trump into Iran,and so on.
>>12601
As for me,I'd say its more so due to social media. Antisemitism is cool,edgy,and is now accepted by alot of people. For instance,you could have filipino preteens posting about how much they hate the jews when they've never even seen a jew in their lives. A loud,incoherent cacophony that only seeks to have your attention,through anger and lust. A million Don Quixotes are created,charging against windmills,seperated from reality.
As for me,I'd say its more so due to social media. Antisemitism is cool,edgy,and is now accepted by alot of people. For instance,you could have filipino preteens posting about how much they hate the jews when they've never even seen a jew in their lives. A loud,incoherent cacophony that only seeks to have your attention,through anger and lust. A million Don Quixotes are created,charging against windmills,seperated from reality.
>>12617
The social media hateslop is extremely irritating isn't it? I had a similar moment the other month as I was walking through town and heard some teenagers mocking Indians in Indian-accented English. This is the Balkans and their English certainly isn't better than any South Asian, nor have they met a South Asian person in their lives. They picked that up, like your anti-semitism example, from the internet, primarily from the American cultural sphere, which rules our lives more severely than ever.
The social media hateslop is extremely irritating isn't it? I had a similar moment the other month as I was walking through town and heard some teenagers mocking Indians in Indian-accented English. This is the Balkans and their English certainly isn't better than any South Asian, nor have they met a South Asian person in their lives. They picked that up, like your anti-semitism example, from the internet, primarily from the American cultural sphere, which rules our lives more severely than ever.
>>12586
Demographic change in the younger generation (Blacks/Hispanics/Arabs are way more likely to harbor grievances towards Jews) + reverse assimilation of young people into minority culture + collapse of WWII mythology.
>>12618
You guys don’t get South Asian guest workers in the Balkans like the rest of Eastern Europe? In Poland, Hungary, and especially the Baltics they’re everywhere.
Demographic change in the younger generation (Blacks/Hispanics/Arabs are way more likely to harbor grievances towards Jews) + reverse assimilation of young people into minority culture + collapse of WWII mythology.
>>12618
You guys don’t get South Asian guest workers in the Balkans like the rest of Eastern Europe? In Poland, Hungary, and especially the Baltics they’re everywhere.
>>12620
There are definitely guest workers here, though more of them are from Southeast Asia like the Phillipines. Regardless, a teenage retard living in the capital probably has never interacted with one of them directly, since those guest workers tend to do road work and agricultural labor, or cleaning. If they did see them they didn't interact with them, and they certainly didn't interact with them in English, at a language level fluent enough to pick up differences in accent. They learned mocking Indians speaking English (the specific example I gave) from internet memes. It's not that difficult to understand.
There are definitely guest workers here, though more of them are from Southeast Asia like the Phillipines. Regardless, a teenage retard living in the capital probably has never interacted with one of them directly, since those guest workers tend to do road work and agricultural labor, or cleaning. If they did see them they didn't interact with them, and they certainly didn't interact with them in English, at a language level fluent enough to pick up differences in accent. They learned mocking Indians speaking English (the specific example I gave) from internet memes. It's not that difficult to understand.
No.12622
Anonymous
2026-09-17 07:17:33
>>12621
Interesting, because in the countries I mentioned before there are more Indians/Bangladeshis/Pakistanis doing food delivery and other customer service work. The agricultural laborers are more likely to be East Slavic or apparently Latin American now. I've mostly seen people mock the former based on the local stereotype of them being balaclava-clad food delivery drivers, less so American memes.
The main American import is IMHO genderslop, with men unironically thinking that their collective farm-worker grandmother was actually an American 50s housewife.
I agree that most ideological currents and memes in EE are American imports, with the exception of insane environmentalism, which is a German import.
Interesting, because in the countries I mentioned before there are more Indians/Bangladeshis/Pakistanis doing food delivery and other customer service work. The agricultural laborers are more likely to be East Slavic or apparently Latin American now. I've mostly seen people mock the former based on the local stereotype of them being balaclava-clad food delivery drivers, less so American memes.
The main American import is IMHO genderslop, with men unironically thinking that their collective farm-worker grandmother was actually an American 50s housewife.
I agree that most ideological currents and memes in EE are American imports, with the exception of insane environmentalism, which is a German import.
No.12625
Anonymous
2026-09-17 09:07:03
>>12620
>(Blacks/Hispanics/Arabs are way more likely to harbor grievances towards Jews)
I could only find this abstract:
"Through an original survey of 3,500 Americans, including an oversample of 18–30 year olds, we discover that antisemitic views remain far more common among minorities than Whites, especially among young people. However, the racial differences do not seem to be explained by common theories cited and explored in prior literature. But with Black and Hispanic Americans agreeing with antisemitic statements at similar levels as White alt-right identifiers in our sample, our findings call for renewed interest in the topic of race and antisemitism."
Even when controlling for socioeconomic factors:
"Black and Hispanic Americans believe in anti-Jewish tropes and possess anti-Israel sentiment at substantially higher rates than other racial and ethnic groups, even after controlling for religion, income, and education."
I don't think this is entirely clear-cut, though, at least for Hispanics. There's huge swathes of (mostly evangelical) conservatives in Latin America who are fervent supporters of Israel. In LatAm it seems to be a political/religious thing, whereas in the U.S. it seems to be a diaspora thing.
>(Blacks/Hispanics/Arabs are way more likely to harbor grievances towards Jews)
I could only find this abstract:
"Through an original survey of 3,500 Americans, including an oversample of 18–30 year olds, we discover that antisemitic views remain far more common among minorities than Whites, especially among young people. However, the racial differences do not seem to be explained by common theories cited and explored in prior literature. But with Black and Hispanic Americans agreeing with antisemitic statements at similar levels as White alt-right identifiers in our sample, our findings call for renewed interest in the topic of race and antisemitism."
Even when controlling for socioeconomic factors:
"Black and Hispanic Americans believe in anti-Jewish tropes and possess anti-Israel sentiment at substantially higher rates than other racial and ethnic groups, even after controlling for religion, income, and education."
I don't think this is entirely clear-cut, though, at least for Hispanics. There's huge swathes of (mostly evangelical) conservatives in Latin America who are fervent supporters of Israel. In LatAm it seems to be a political/religious thing, whereas in the U.S. it seems to be a diaspora thing.
No.12636
Anonymous
2026-09-17 11:31:11
My mom still mostly worries about 2020 type stuff. Normies are all still enmeshed in this stuff.
>>12620
>Demographic change in the younger generation (Blacks/Hispanics/Arabs are way more likely to harbor grievances towards Jews)
Horseshit. You don't know this at all, this is regurgitated half-understood slop you read online and took as gospel. Considering the context of your comment and time of day you posted it seems you're European: how many Blacks and Hispanics do you even know? Arabs are the only minority in that list you will meet as an Eastern European, the other two I will eat my sock if you have talked face-to-face with a Black American or "Hispanic" person in your entire life. Get this retarded shit out of here you fucking faggot. You literally can't even verbalize problems of culture and ethnicity outside of the American discourse, yet you limply join in to my critique of it. It's too late for you.
>Demographic change in the younger generation (Blacks/Hispanics/Arabs are way more likely to harbor grievances towards Jews)
Horseshit. You don't know this at all, this is regurgitated half-understood slop you read online and took as gospel. Considering the context of your comment and time of day you posted it seems you're European: how many Blacks and Hispanics do you even know? Arabs are the only minority in that list you will meet as an Eastern European, the other two I will eat my sock if you have talked face-to-face with a Black American or "Hispanic" person in your entire life. Get this retarded shit out of here you fucking faggot. You literally can't even verbalize problems of culture and ethnicity outside of the American discourse, yet you limply join in to my critique of it. It's too late for you.
>>12637
It is true that much of Fuentes' followers are Hispanics and Arabs (less so blacks, because Fuentes beats on blacks a lot [although ambient tensions between black and Jewish Americans are not new]). There is also a correlation between lack of education and belief in conspiracy theories; although anti-Jewish sentiment need not be conspiratorial in nature, it often embraces conspiracy.
It is true that much of Fuentes' followers are Hispanics and Arabs (less so blacks, because Fuentes beats on blacks a lot [although ambient tensions between black and Jewish Americans are not new]). There is also a correlation between lack of education and belief in conspiracy theories; although anti-Jewish sentiment need not be conspiratorial in nature, it often embraces conspiracy.
I am resigned to the reality that the right has blown the best chance it has had in decades to take back the zeitgeist. The immaturity and corruption and stupidity on display is going to lead to a monstrous backlash in November. All we had to do was reinstate the border controls that Biden revoked and then lock in on rebuilding American manufacturing. Actually if they had accomplished the second task people would have forgiven open borders. Instead we torpedoed our foreign policy, started a war that will be far more costly than it is worth, went BACKWARDS on solar power, etc. Complete fiasco.
No.12642
Anonymous
2026-09-17 12:00:14
>>12639
>Dumb teenage moids consume edgy content online, that means we can make sweeping assumptions about entire ethnic groups
Genius
>Dumb teenage moids consume edgy content online, that means we can make sweeping assumptions about entire ethnic groups
Genius
>>12641
>Entering into the 2nd cold war but this time one of the countries fucking shoots themselves in the head
>Entering into the 2nd cold war but this time one of the countries fucking shoots themselves in the head
>>12643
Call me naive but I think the China thing is retarded. These guys are not the USSR and are not seeking to push for a worldwide socialist revolution (they are literally allied to Pakistan). In terms of a threat to the US they aren’t very high on the list. On top of that, if you are truly dedicated to Cold War II why piss off literally every ally? Canada was as staunch an American ally as it gets and Trump blew that up for literally nothing. I truly don’t get it, not even personal animosity explains it (Trudeau is gone). The Greenland stunt put a ton of pressure on NATO too for no reason.
Moreover a presidency focused on foreign policy is an impotent presidency. Domestic policy is where America is in substantial danger: climate change and ecological decay, the decline in American unity, the health and education gaps in the US, etc. We needed a right wing focused on that. Domestic issues are the #1 threat, solve those and American stability and power is assured.
Call me naive but I think the China thing is retarded. These guys are not the USSR and are not seeking to push for a worldwide socialist revolution (they are literally allied to Pakistan). In terms of a threat to the US they aren’t very high on the list. On top of that, if you are truly dedicated to Cold War II why piss off literally every ally? Canada was as staunch an American ally as it gets and Trump blew that up for literally nothing. I truly don’t get it, not even personal animosity explains it (Trudeau is gone). The Greenland stunt put a ton of pressure on NATO too for no reason.
Moreover a presidency focused on foreign policy is an impotent presidency. Domestic policy is where America is in substantial danger: climate change and ecological decay, the decline in American unity, the health and education gaps in the US, etc. We needed a right wing focused on that. Domestic issues are the #1 threat, solve those and American stability and power is assured.
The powers that be are behind Trump's actions and using him as a great excuse while everyone cries about muh cheeto hitler online. Democrats are quiet because their foreign policy goals are the same as everyone else in the administrative matrix, executives are raking in the money because they learned at the beginning of Trump's second term to brown-nose him instead of playing social justice ally, American energy is more dominant than ever and poised to shape the dynamic of the next couple of decades. The apparatus has never cared about the fat retarded lumpenprole masses and once you learn to differentiate the two you will be freed from your mental handcuffs.
>>12648
How do the American elite benefit from Trump’s actions? They have led to our MENA presence being badly damaged, our relations with the West being badly strained, and so on. I don’t see how the powers that be benefit from any of this.
>American energy is more dominant than ever and poised to shape the dynamic of the next couple of decades
How bro the US is in a very bad state rn, military wise and economically
How do the American elite benefit from Trump’s actions? They have led to our MENA presence being badly damaged, our relations with the West being badly strained, and so on. I don’t see how the powers that be benefit from any of this.
>American energy is more dominant than ever and poised to shape the dynamic of the next couple of decades
How bro the US is in a very bad state rn, military wise and economically
>>12650
American energy is in demand and higher gas prices = more $$ for energy companies.
But I do think >>12648 is overstating how much the elite stands behind Trump. They just aren't capable of making any kind of coordinated effort to do anything, so each faction of the elite is resigned to keeping their profits up and carving out their corner of the state while Trump torpedoes the future of American global power. Also, the elites are global already, so who gives a fuck if America declines in power? They have millions of different exit paths.
American energy is in demand and higher gas prices = more $$ for energy companies.
But I do think >>12648 is overstating how much the elite stands behind Trump. They just aren't capable of making any kind of coordinated effort to do anything, so each faction of the elite is resigned to keeping their profits up and carving out their corner of the state while Trump torpedoes the future of American global power. Also, the elites are global already, so who gives a fuck if America declines in power? They have millions of different exit paths.
>>12650
>They have led to our MENA presence being badly damaged
What in the fuck do you think the impression of America in the Middle East was before Trump, jovial camaraderie?
>I don’t see how the powers that be benefit from any of this.
Yeah, why would the military industrial complex benefit from conflict? Whadda fuckin mystery
>They have led to our MENA presence being badly damaged
What in the fuck do you think the impression of America in the Middle East was before Trump, jovial camaraderie?
>I don’t see how the powers that be benefit from any of this.
Yeah, why would the military industrial complex benefit from conflict? Whadda fuckin mystery
No.12661
Anonymous
2026-09-17 13:06:11
>>12644
"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."
-Abraham Lincoln
"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."
-Abraham Lincoln
>>12616 I think you missed my point. I’m not saying 10/7 and 9/11 were equally important, and I’m not comparing the short term impact. I’m just saying they’re analogous as discrete events which snowballed into massive cultural changes.
No.12680
Anonymous
2026-09-17 15:10:05
>>12663
Yeah,I did miss your point there lmao
Yeah,I did miss your point there lmao
No.12758
Anonymous
2026-09-19 15:09:50
>>12652
This works until a certain point until the demand falls off, the sweet spot is around the $70-$90 a barrel, expensive but still affordable. $100+? It becomes expensive to use gasoline, to use oil. Thus,demand shrinks as people are forced to switch over to more renewable goods. It's the fuel crisis that they've had nightmares about coming to life. Of course, petrochemicals will still be required for various goods, such as in the pharmaceutical industry, but a shrinkage in demand means a shrinkage in price.
Trump really is the wokest president, isn't he? He just stopped oil.
This works until a certain point until the demand falls off, the sweet spot is around the $70-$90 a barrel, expensive but still affordable. $100+? It becomes expensive to use gasoline, to use oil. Thus,demand shrinks as people are forced to switch over to more renewable goods. It's the fuel crisis that they've had nightmares about coming to life. Of course, petrochemicals will still be required for various goods, such as in the pharmaceutical industry, but a shrinkage in demand means a shrinkage in price.
Trump really is the wokest president, isn't he? He just stopped oil.
No.12759
Anonymous
2026-09-19 15:16:29
>>12656
Saudi arabia, Oman, Bahrain, The UAE, and so on will all have major hits to their political relationship to the united states. Especially if the united states just leaves the region,which is seeming more and more likely, which threatens a complete utter end of the petrodollar deal. You said you were going to protect me, and instead not only caused a conflict I get entrapped in, but leave me to deal with the mess you made? Yeah no, fuck you. We're no longer dealing in dollars anymore.
Saudi arabia, Oman, Bahrain, The UAE, and so on will all have major hits to their political relationship to the united states. Especially if the united states just leaves the region,which is seeming more and more likely, which threatens a complete utter end of the petrodollar deal. You said you were going to protect me, and instead not only caused a conflict I get entrapped in, but leave me to deal with the mess you made? Yeah no, fuck you. We're no longer dealing in dollars anymore.