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No.10207 Anonymous>>10210
First World War
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I read 'All Quiet on the Western Front' the last couple weeks and thought it was good, but perhaps not as spectacular as everyone seems to make it out to be. I don't think it's better than 'Journey's End' which I read as a schoolboy.

There is quite a good metaphor in All Quiet where soldiers are analogised to a collection of coins from different places that have all been melted down in one crucible and restruck into a series of identical pennies. The central notion is of war as something that obliterates all aspects of individual personhood beyond the utterly superficial; as a consequence, even the individual characters in the story are devoid of much distinction or depth. They can mostly be entirely described in little summaries such as might be scrawled on the back of a cigarette packet: 'the soldier who is greedy, the soldier who is strong, the soldier who womanises'.

But why, then, is it not the case that in other First World War narratives, or indeed in war narratives in general, that we see this same obliteration of character? Raleigh, Stanhope, and Osborne are characters who I encountered ten years ago in a schoolroom, but they still left a deep enough impression on me that I could tell you five times more about then now than I could about the men from Remarque's story. Yet they were stuck in the same muddy hell at precisely the same time in history.

In fact, even in Remarque's book, even as the narrator insists to us that all these men have become alike, we still see that this is in point of fact not true, since aspects of the one good character in the book, the saavy reservist 'Kat', still shine through right up until the point when he gets a chunk of shrapnel through his head. At which point one has to ask: is it that war obliterates the individual (in which case: how to explain Junger? how to explain Wilfred Owen?), or is it rather that the immature, traumatised, and frankly, slightly narcissistic Paul is just too myopic to realise that not everyone in a massive global conflict is identical to him and his pals.

I am next going to try and read 'The Guns of August' by Barbara Tuchman. I don't read much non-fiction but I have heard that this has particular literary merit and I do find the title phenomenally seductive.

Recommend more First World War stuff. Not Dan Carlin even though I like him, but everyone has heard that by now.
No.10209 Anonymous>>10210 >>10211
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>But why, then, is it not the case that in other First World War narratives
Perspectives.
From the perspective of Remarque and Sherriff who actually served in the military, they actually see the military for what it is. Then look at it from 'The Guns of August' Barbara's Tuchman perspective (Perspective of a wealthy banking jewish house wife pop-historian that was pushed)... She will go on to elude that it was merely incompetence and hubris that caused the massive scale of the war.
You should at least know the backgrounds on the authors you read.

If you can't discern why the narratives of ww1 are more cynical from the perspective of the soldiers who actually served... I don't know. Maybe you'll enjoy the false propaganda pro war Michael Bay (also jewish and never served) movie coming out on the super soldier (we still don't know the identity of by the way, curious) who supposedly survived behind Iranian lines walking 100s of miles in a few days.
No.10210 Anonymous
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>>10207 (OP)
>>10209
Also just in case you thought I was joking on the Michael Bay movie... it's real and just announced this week.
No.10211 Anonymous
>>10209
Nice reading comprehension. The point of my post was that Sherriff and Remarque (two extremely comparable authors for the reason you mention, first hand experience) differ a lot.
No.10212 Anonymous
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>The point of my post was that Sherriff and Remarque differ a lot
do they though? Maybe one is more focused on given their perspective when it actually happened (Sherriff) vs Remarque's more zoomed out perspective. You can say one is more personal than the other, but besides that it reads the (broadly speaking) the same almost.

Regardless, this topic hardly thought-provoking